My Hero Academia Law Book talk:Requesting of User Rights

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Discord Server

Firstly, let me stress that in no way am I downplaying Roranoa Drake II's role in fostering a vibrant Discord server for MHA fans; I think their accomplishment is not to be sneezed at.
However, at present, the administrative structure of Roranoa Drake II's Discord server is not representative of that of the wiki's, and Roranoa Drake II enjoys considerably disproportionate power on Discord over the rest of the wiki bureaucrats/administrators/content moderators. Additionally, Roranoa Drake II liberally silences robust discussions related to decisions that they've implemented, under the pretence of avoiding public drama. Whilst in principle this rule is useful for dealing with trolls, it should not be abused to shut down in-good-faith policy discussions, especially when they're critical of Roranoa Drake II. (To quote them from [[[:Template:Fullurl:Talk:My Hero Academia Law Book:Requesting of User Rights]] before], "[a] user who has any sort of user rights should be an exemplary model among others.") Rather, such discussions should be held in the open for all to critique.
If Roranoa Drake II's Discord server is to be affiliated with this wiki, then: (a) all wiki bureaucrats and administrators should have equivalent administrative privileges on that Discord server (and all wiki content moderators should have equivalent moderation privileges on that Discord server); and (b) discussions pertaining to policy should be exempted from the "no drama" rule, especially when conducted in the #productive_work channel. The same applies to other spin-off accounts, such as the "wiki" Twitter account (@BokuNoHeroWikia). Otherwise, this wiki should sever ties with Roranoa Drake II's Discord server, and if they plan to retaliate, their wiki privileges should be revoked. TheHaloVeteran (talk) 13:12, July 13, 2018 (UTC)

I am in agreement with all of the points raised here. Damage3245 (talk) 13:16, July 13, 2018 (UTC)

It was I who started the wiki server and came up with the idea to do it, after becoming unsatisfied with the reddit server. I later handed the server over to Drake. The idea was to make an accessible and wiki focused server. Although I am a member of the server, I don't feel the wiki benefits anyway from it. There have been times where people have messaged me, feeling dissatisfied with the way Drake or other people handle things on the server. Although I have got nothing against Drake or the server. I believe we once discussed about acting responsibly on both the wiki and server. Judging from Halo's comments that's where I might have a problem with acting responsibly. I agree that all wiki role users should be given responsibility on the server. If I remember correctly there was a time where I wanted to give wiki members equal rights on the server, but it was overruled and wiki members have become excluded ever since.Besty!Talk 13:51, July 13, 2018 (UTC)

My two cents as a relative newcomer is that it feels like editors are relegated to the sidelines on that server, despite it being branded as the wiki's Discord server. My own interactions with Rora(/Noctis/Ragdoll) have been frustrating; they come off as arrogant and dismissive, and quick to silence dissent, despite it being blatantly obvious that they could use some help with CSS and JS. And yet they're in charge of the design department, the only department that's not accepting new members. For the record, unabridged transcripts of my run-ins with them can be found on Pastebin under the IDs Jrj7NUvh and Madw7JZG. puxlit (talk) 14:29, July 13, 2018 (UTC)

I also agree with what TheHaloVeteran had to say about Drake and him abusing his power over others. Drake is also turning the wiki's discord less and less about the wiki and more about him creating his own little fan club. I say this due to the following things Drake has done.

• Kicking/banning who ever he wants, making any rules he disires (that works in his favor) to the point that he tries to bring his rules on to the wiki.

• Threatening others a wiki block if they don not abide by whatever he says. An example of this is the comment he left on the wiki rules page saying "Just an fyi. Any user who is not an administrator and tries to edit this page will get a block. No exceptions" even tho majority of wiki staff have disagreed with the rule.

• Putting none wiki editors in power, I had no problem with tommy/skye/teara being admins/mods but giving some random 20 or so people power over the wiki server(sidekicks) just because they were nice to you. Also demoting wiki bureaucrats and admins below even sidekicks.
• Drake's biggest problem is handling any criticism or objection. He uses the drama rule to mute or kick others,  and when asked in the dm's he ignores you. This ignorance has also been seen on the wiki when he deletes and locks threads he knows will have negative comments about him.

Kakarots (talk) 15:13, July 13, 2018 (UTC)Kakarots

Roronoa Drake II has created a fine discord server with lots of good people. However, it's more of a My Hero Academia Fanclub server than a My Hero Academia Wiki server. The editors have about 2 channels to work with and if anyone disagrees with Roronoa Drake II or any of his friends they are silenced. A friend of mine and Puxlit had a disagreement with Roronoa Drake II about the main page slider. It got heated and Puxlit was muted for voicing his opinion simply because it was not in line with what Roronoa Drake II desired. He and his friends also made comments about how edit count doesn't matter and basically said that contributions shouldn't impact your authority on the server. Their name escapes me but his friend even mentioned that they didn't care about the content on this wiki but they had special permissions on the server. When this triggered other users, they were silenced under the pretense of "drama". This is just one example of Roronoa Drake II's tendency to abuse his power. Kakarots has been banned from the server and other users have been muted or kicked. All I care about is getting work done on the wiki. The only reason I use Discord is to talk to editors so we can get work done. This is becoming increasingly difficult because of the animosity between the wiki editors and the people who run the discord server. I have come to the defense of the editors before because thankful I am an admin and I won't allow myself to be pushed around. This cannot continue because its only growing worse and the community is becoming increasingly frustrated. If the Discord is truly meant to be affiliated with the wiki, then it needs to be governed by the same people who work the hardest on this site. DES 15:25, July 13, 2018 (UTC)

From what I can read, the main grievances here are:

• A perceived abuse of rights from Roranoa
• Wiki admins and content mods don't have admin/mod access on the server

Addressing the first point here, no one seems to have come up with any real concrete evidence of rights abuse, just anecdotal stories that have to be taken as word of mouth. That's fine, you can't always build a criminal case off of a Discord server, but perhaps if the problem is as serious as is being made out, maybe one hard piece of evidence to suggest rights abuse might have been provided. In fact one of the anecdotal stories, namely one of a content mod being banned on the server, is being spun as rights abuse when it wasn't. Basically bottom line is that if you have complaints about rights abuse, have something to objectively back it up. Word of mouth does not become impartial evidence just because more than one person backs it up. EDIT for some reason my mind skipped over Puxlit's pastebin links. I read them and while I don't think I see any hardcore "rights abuse" I see a bunch of strained relationships between a lot of people. It's not ideal for sure, and I can appreciate that perhaps Roranoa was heavy handed about the reddit server channel discussion. I apologize for missing Puxlit's pastebin links so I retract my statements about no hard evidence being provided, there was at least an attempt to do so. --Callofduty4 (talk) 17:21, July 13, 2018 (UTC)

Now the second point. Why do wiki admins and content mods need admin or mod access on the server? Content moderators were purposefully kept separate from the chat moderator right by Wikia, with the quite purposeful insinuation that content moderators are a separate deal from chat moderators. Well, that separation should hold true for the Discord server too, since it's a chatroom. The biggest thing that makes me confused, is that most of the people involved in this discussion don't actually talk outside of the wiki channel. Why do you need mod/admin rights on the server, in that case? What tangible benefit is there to the server by having mods and admins who the general chatters don't know? Being fair to all ideas and opinions here, I actually do have some complaint about how mods are made on the server, namely that the process is invisible to the larger community. Seeing pink names come out of nowhere fosters an atmosphere of favouritism. But this issue isn't fixed by automatically giving pink names to even more people out of nowhere.

A lot of unnecessary drama here. What for? The ability of editors to talk and contribute to the wiki is not being impeded by anyone or by editcount not being reflected in server privileges. It is a shame that Puxlit got muted and Kakarots got banned, but perhaps it's not as one sided as it seems. Having gone through the rigmarole of setting up a Discord server for a different wiki, I can appreciate concerns about clubs and favouritism, and how closely to reflect wiki user rights on the Discord server. But I have to say, sometimes I see the same kind of cliquishness being criticized here in the #productive-work channel and wiki as well. It's okay, it isn't on purpose. But just have that same kind of consideration for other parts of the server too. Not everything is as one-sided as is being made out here. --Callofduty4 (talk) 16:40, July 13, 2018 (UTC)

we have pastebin evidence and the fact that Roranoa drake uses the "drama" rule to silence discussion and recently theatened to mute us if we even dared talk about it. Second, the fact that Drake puts the admins of the wiki its linked to at a lower position than sidekicks who for the most part have nothing to do with the wiki itself. Drake has filled the sidekick positions with people who will always agree with her and so nothing can be done even if besty brings it up privately with her. Thirdly this isn't unneccesary drama, this is a public ultimatum to ensure these problems are resolved TheHaloVeteran (talk) 16:50, July 13, 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, I even saw the pastebin URLs but it didn't dawn on me that they were logs. Not sure why. Will amend my post. I do believe this is unnecessary drama still, because it has been fairly one sided. --Callofduty4 (talk) 17:21, July 13, 2018 (UTC)

To be honest, if you were banned then it was for a specific reason not just for the lols of banning a user for fun. There is nothing wrong with the Discord being like a My Hero fanclub more than a wikia because it is better that way, as there are still discussions about the series itself which is actually pretty good for the community and non-hardcore editors. Many other wikia Discords work like this as well so please stop acting like this is a problem with this Discord only. Also, just because you work the hardest on something doesn't automatically make you the best suited for the job; this is a bad mentality to have if you ever want to be a decent manager at any job. Working hard and being dedicated is all fine and dandy, but how will you be any different that those that you seek to replace? Change the very format of the Discord to suit your desires perhaps? If so then you aren't any better than the one that you claim isn't doing it right.

I know that this must be tough for you to hear but it is the truth no less. Just because you are or claim to be a good editor doesn't mean that you will be a good leader or are a good person.

The wikia is made for the various fans of the fandom to come together and enjoy what they like as one community. Sure you guys can make articles and blogs about why you think that All-for-One is Deku's father or how All Might and Endeavor are secretly the best OTP, but at the end of the day Fandom is about a community hanging out doing cool things not a community that works-works-works themselves to death. If anything editors and plain old fans should come together at a middle ground DES being that we are a fandom and a popular one at that. If a

In regards to the sidekicks, they are just that -- Sidekicks to the Heroes. They have no real authority on the actual wikia so bringing up that they are mostly friends and not editors is pointless as anyone else in that position would do the same thing. Imouto 17:09, July 13, 2018 (UTC)Imouto-tan (talk)