Thread:Dragonus Nesha/@comment-2168633-20170817185855/@comment-25501246-20170818181240

Mrhades113 wrote: Well, in my opinion (if it matters) we should reffer to the character acording to his gender (sex) regardless of the way he's refered to by the others in the manga, then you ask me: "so why do we call Tiger a man?" because the character made surgery and it's technically a man now, but magne is just a man who's reffered as a woman by the others, but he's still a man, like Excellcore said, Horikoshi didn't say nothing about this or that he want us to call magne a female. like i said before, regardless of the way he's called in the manga he should still be refered as a man in the wiki, not because this is the way i think it's the best, but because that's the right way to be impartial and we're not here to convey our values and opinions, the purpose of a wiki is only to inform.

I understand and agree with you about we being an information source first and foremost, but it's like I said, this issue is incredibly complex. Some person could very well argue that Tiger isn't really a man because he lacks certain genetic traits that men have.

What I do know though is that ExcelCore was making up facts, stating that the Japanese don't have pronouns and talking about character profiles that never existed, followed by theories backed up by nothing that he tried to pass off as actual possibilities, which hurt a lot of his argument.

Tiger and Magne are the same, people whose gender don't match their birth sex. This is not really an opinion or value, but an actual character trait both characters share. The only difference was that Tiger was able to afford body modifications that would make him more comfortable with who he is.

Sex is defined by a ton of factors besides genitals and hormones. Unfortunately, it's impossible to change all that through surgery yet as we don't have the technology to modify everything down to the genetic level (science is advancing here though). What I'm trying to say is that even sex itself isn't absolute.

But that doesn't change the fact that, in terms of gender, Tiger identifies himself as a man. If we're going to be impartial with this, then we have to use the same standards for both Tiger and Magne. Horikoshi didn't say anything directly, but he did indirectly state through Twice that Magne preferred to be called through female expressions. The dialogue is written by him after all.

Changing the infobox category from Gender to Sex could be a solution, but I'm not fond of it, especially after this discussion (and, like I said above, it's an extremely complex subject). Another solution is to just get rid of the infobox category entirely and let the category pages deal with it.

We used to have a comment section for pages, but it was shut down because of rampant homophobia and sexism. Please, let's not go there again.